Ebbro Interview Part 8, Decision to Go Independent Comes


Decision to Go Independent Comes
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----Now I’d like to touch on your retirement from Tamiya in ’97…  At the time, I had no idea your leaving Tamiya wasn’t because you’d reached retirement age.

This “So much want to commercialize, but never can if I’m in Tamiya” thing had been building up in me over time.  The Chief would tell me “If you want to commercialize so badly, then why don’t you go independent and do it yourself”, and because I’m stupid, every time I’d mistakenly think “Maybe he’s giving me a push?” (chagrin).

So I started thinking about “What would doing it myself mean, in terms of economic feasibility and being able to eat?”  Not knowing whether I’d get fired at any moment was part of it, too.  I’d crossed a lot of dangerous bridges, where I’d forced projects through.

----But as a creator you know, I understand that position where, if you don’t cross some dangerous bridges even when there’s a big risk, there’re no surprises spiritual or otherwise.

Yeah, that’s right.  You just want to take the next step, don’t you.

But when I argued with my superior, that meant it would go straight to his superior the President (the current Chief Executive Mr Tamiya), so I never knew when I’d get kicked out.  And I always had to be prepared for that.

----So was your being involved with the Collector’s Club series a direct catalyst for your turning to independence?

Yeah.  I knew from my own experiences, that Tamiya was never going to go to finished 1/43 products for reasons of profitability and efficiency, and that’s what I really wanted to do, since almost none of the historic Japanese cars that I liked had ever been commercialized.

And, I’d already been thinking that I’d return to the world of plastic models if I kept my eye open for a chance, but since I knew I couldn’t reasonably expect to jump into plastic model development as soon as I quit Tamiya, I took a line of compromise, and went into 1/43 diecast instead.

And you know I told the Chief straight out when I quit that “I’m going to make 1/43 diecasts of the Fairlady SR2000 and Z, and others that I’ve previously made plans for in 1/24 here that didn’t go through”.  Because you know those are popular cars, for which there should be high quality products.

----While the Collector’s Club series wasn’t that big in product numbers, I can see a “Dawning of the birth of Ebbro products” in some like the 1/20 Honda S800 (sales date: Dec ’96).

Yes, yes.  That’s exactly what they were.  The Collector’s Club were our Ebbro product masters.

… But when I was in the middle of developing them, I thought, “Ah, I can’t take it any more”.

----What, being in Tamiya?

Yeah, yeah.  I had to stick around the Chinese factory all the time, and if we left everything up to the local contractors, they just couldn’t do the QC (quality checks) at all.  And I thought, “… I shouldn’t be having to do this supervision work”.

Of course I carried out my responsibilities properly, but it was still rough.  I just felt out of place.  I’d gone from a “draw the blueprints and think about doing the product details this way” environment to a “wrap up afterwards” setting.  Sugiura-san was drawing up plans for the Collector’s Club series, and drawing is easier and a lot more fun you know, than being left in charge of wrapping up.

Of course, it must have been difficult company wise too, as we didn’t know if those products would sell or not.

----I guess that’s one of the realities that come with rising to an executive position.

Yeah you’re right.  But… I was controlling new employees who really didn’t understand models, and to put it bluntly, trying to continue your move up the ladder all the while you’re doing that is impossible.  It was impossible for me at least.

There were, of course, a lot of areas I enjoyed, naturally.  Nevertheless, I was in a dilemma where having to do it all, and this “I’ll likely have to be a specialist in product management and QC from now on” was tripping up my next projects, and my next designs.

----As we reach the end of our Tamiya talk, I’d like to ask what you learned in your Tamiya years, and how they helped you grow.

Ah.., you know, Tamiya is a company that does things at such a high level, in both the volume and quality of their work.   And you only realize some things that everyone in the company thinks are normal, when you first go out into the outside world.  I think I’m where I’m at now, because I was raised and allowed to learn in that kind of environment.

So it’s like “Don’t shy away from the difficult things” with Tamiya, and that’s their attitude there…  Everyone there really breaks their backs to make good models I think.  So having been taught that, and knowing firsthand that’s how it should be, is an asset.  It’s how I approach my work now.

----It’s like that for consumers like me, too.  Through Tamiya’s lofty stance, I think I’ve learned something about how my own work should be.  And it’s hard to set “This level isn’t good enough” criteria on your own.

That’s right.  Tamiya has what they call their “Tamiya Standard” criteria, and because those criteria are so incredibly high, I think that’s why people in the business who’ve left Tamiya can continue their work at such a high level.  More often that not, former employees of other companies can’t do that.  It’s this deep rooted, firmly grounded attitude that’s something else.