Ebbro Interview Part 4, Importance and Difficulties of Outlines



Importance and Difficulties of Outlines
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----Once you had a team system going, I guess you took charge of body outlines, Kiya-san?

Yes, that’s right.  I drew the outlines for passing to mold manufacture, and I had others on staff design the interiors and engines in pace with that.

----Those outline blueprints, of course, included tires, right?

Of course.  Tires are always a bother…  Where you put the wheel centers changes the impression that a car makes considerably.  But the tires don’t squeeze down under their own weight, as they do on real cars.  Even though they’re made of rubber.

----Still, they’re one of the three most important points with car models, where you have to be picky.

That’s true.  You really have to be mindful of the tires.  But it’s always been that way.

----It’s surprising the number of people who consider themselves car model lovers, and don’t notice that.  If you don’t take the tires’ natural deformation into account, and make adjustments while designing, you wind up with a horrendous waist height.

Yeah, a lot of people don’t worry about that.  These days on average, all model manufacturers have become better, but in the old days, there were a lot of waist-high cars.

----But, even with the streamlining you had with the team systems, surely there were people who could draw blueprints for the outlines…?

Um, we didn’t get many.  Of course, I had some people drawing them, but I’d always have to do some retouching, and it was like “It’d be faster for me to just draw everything out from the start”.  But, that’s not the way it should be.

----Yeah, it really shouldn’t have to be that way.  I mean, if you got into a car accident or became seriously ill, Kiya-san, you wouldn’t be able to maintain quality.

Exactly!  Yes, yes, that’s right…  You can have someone fudge the interiors a bit, but you really can’t do that with the outlines.

----So then, you were waiting for a new outlines manager like Sugiura-san (see page 22, page 36 [not shown]) to enter the company.

Yes I was.  I saw the car model designs that Sugiura-san had his hand in, when he out-sourced for us, and I thought “This guy can draw car outlines can’t he, he’s got artistic taste!”  Then I thought “Maybe he can work with us at Tamiya”.

Then just about that time, the design office Sugiura-san was in was about to be disbanded, so I called Sugiura-san, and had him come to Tamiya as a contract worker first.

----So after Sugiura-san entered Tamiya, there were two people working on outline blueprints?

That’s right.  Everyone has their preferences and things they’re suited or unsuited to…  But, the period we worked together wasn’t that long.

That is, about that time I was being asked to do all kinds of things.  Creating projects…  For example, making arrangements to research and design everything from airplane models to ship models.

----Ah, I’m pretty certain you were in charge of the 1/32 McDonnell Douglas F-15E Strike Eagle (sales date: June ’93), Kiya-san.

That’s right.  I went all the way to the Seymour Johnson US Air Force Base to research that one…  To be honest, I really didn’t know why I was doing that.  On the other hand, I was designing the 1/12 Ferrari 641/2 and others too, so things seemed mixed up…  But with the Ferrari 641/2, I thought “I’m never giving this to anyone!” and drew out the design blueprints myself.

----But, perhaps the company had some motive, for taking the stance where they wanted you to have total production control over some Tamiya products?

Um.., no, it wasn’t like that.  When people were saying “Who’ll be in charge of the 1/32 Eagle?”, I was about to go into a tank crew.  Tanks and airplanes are so completely different from each other, and someone just said “Well why not have it done under Kiya’s direction, he likes airplanes”.

And, well, you know, the Eagle was fun.  I remember that Revell had a 1/32 Strike Eagle at the time, and the angle of their ancillaries pylon just wasn’t designed quite right, and I was wondering how to fix the problem…   I was thinking “Ah, right, I can use a slide mold here and have the angle set beforehand” or “Could this be done by injection molding the body in one piece?”, and actively pursuing things you couldn’t usually get away with in the world of airplane models.

So we had a rhythm going like that, and in those days I was leaving a lot of the car models up to Sugiura-san.

----So that was also your indication of “How much trust I can place in Sugiura-san”, right.

Well, not 100% trust of course.  I’m the kinds of person that always complains about something (laughs).  But, when I do, it’s like “Let’s do it a little more like this”, and it means that with a person like Sugiura-san, the refinement will be done properly.