Ebbro Interview Part 5, Occasional Need for Rearrangements and Adjustments



Occasional Need for Rearrangements and Adjustments
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----I’d like to dig a little deeper with our conversation about outlines just now, so how do you yourself, Kiya-san, approach the aspects of the lines and surfaces you draw?

Well… for the aspects I “sketch out the blueprints rough” (laughs).

----Your strong point I suppose, would be in the beauty of your outlines.

Well, if you’re talking about car models, you could go as far as saying “That’s the most important thing”.  Even when the blueprints I’ve drawn in two dimensions don’t match up in three dimensions properly, and have a bit of discrepancy, I’m thorough about having drawn them so that I’ve conveyed “This is the kind of design I want”.  And actually, I told the Mold Manufacturing Department things like that too, and chose people to work there who could understand it when I said things like “I want lines and surfaces like this”.

----So in other words, with the exquisite concavity and convexity of the Enfini RX-7 Type R (sales date: April ’92) for example, you used spoken words, rather than doing this and that in the blueprints…?

Yes, but of course I drew up the blueprints properly too.  But at the very end I’d still lay up some putty on the wooden masters myself, and got caught up in correcting the wooden masters until I had satisfied myself (chagrin).

You know… “surfaces” are the key after all, rather than “lines”.  If you don’t create the surfaces properly, you wind up with a failed mold.  That’s the heart of it, isn’t it?

----You’re the kind of guy who really likes to play with the expressions surfaces take when you design, and plunge into re-arrangements, aren’t you, Kiya-san?

Well, I know there are some people who go by the re-arrangements-aren’t-necessary theory, and I can understand what people like that are saying. 

But, just as we were saying about “where to put the wheel centers” before, if you just shrink down actual car blueprints and transpose them onto a 1/24 or 1/20 model as-is, you don’t get that “realism”.  So, there are times when you have to do some re-arranging, to kind of emphasize realism.

But you know, with the Honda City R for example, I made some adjustments by lowering the waistline and widening the window areas a lot, but none of those no-adjustment-theory people even noticed.  So I “get away with” things like that, but in the end with models, and with car models especially, I think it has to be that way.

That is to rephrase, models are sets of tridimensional volumes, aren’t they?  So I think that feeling of volume, that comes from the lines and surfaces, is what’s most important.  So whether the cabin is big or small, the window areas are wide or narrow, or the tires’ ellipticity mass is large or small, of course I draw out those things with lines and attach my surfaces to them, but it’s in the way the surfaces lie, I think.  And that’s the fun part of designing.

----Yes, that’s right.  I’ve learned how to “tell a good lie” from you, Kiya-san.  And, the “importance of caricature like expressionism over photo-realism” with models sometimes.  You know, making them “seemingly more real than real”.

So, I don’t think the re-arrangements and adjustments you do when designing are what you would call “exaggerations”.

Yes, that’s what I mean!  I don’t think they (the actions he takes) are exaggerations.  A model is, after all, a model, so I think it’s more important that it “looks like, and has the same feeling of the actual car as a model” rather than being “absolutely faithful to the actual car”.  So a wee bit of lying can be necessary, and I sometimes lower a car’s ride height, or lean the angle of its A pillar back a bit.  Taken to the extreme, what I mean is “Cool is best, ain’t it!” (laughs).

----But the fact is, there are people who don’t get such nuances.  For people who don’t have artistic sense, or can’t see it, accuracy is the only thing that’s right and proper.

But I think your mindset, Kiya-san, through Sugiura-san, still carries on at Tamiya even though Sugiura-san has retired from there.  When I look at Tamiya’s most recent automotive models, their details make me think “They still have that Tamiya quality about them, even though the people in charge of the outlines may have changed”.