Ebbro Interview Part 13, Unimaginable Tire Molding Difficulties


Unimaginable Tire Molding Difficulties
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----I see.  Well, as someone who loves the 88 and 91 to death, I’d be crestfallen myself if their commercialization isn’t realized (chagrin), so I’ll try not to get my hopes up while I hold my breath.

That aside, there’s still one thing I’d like to ask you while we’re here today.  I’ll come out and say it, but I’m not very satisfied with the any of the tire shapes in Ebbro’s 1/20 F1 models.  I’d really like to ask how that could happen with guys who’re considerably picky about tire shapes, you Kiya-san paired with Sugiura-san, and what’s so difficult.

… It’s differing processing methods.  With Tamiya, the rubber tires are processed using beryllium, but that way of doing it generates pollutants, and the number of contractors who’ll take on that work around the world now is very limited.  Besides, the costs are absurdly high.

So indeed, I’d like to use rubber tires with Ebbro’s plastic models too.  Because you don’t get this hard dry surface texture with rubber tires, and the tires have both this soft feeling and a sharpness about them.  But there are various limitations on that, so we can’t do it.

----… Ah, in other words, Ebbro tires aren’t made of rubber?

It’s in what’s called the elastomer family, and it’s a kind of plastic that has the springiness of rubber.  Elastomers pull back a lot, and have you have what’s called a high shrinkage ratio when you injection mold, so it’s not easy to get them to come out as you imagined them in the blueprints you drew.  If you do it wrong, 1/20 tires can shrink up to 1mm or more.  And we didn’t really know that, honestly speaking.

Added to that, with us we cut out a tire master, and use electric discharge machining with an electrode while turning that.  But as you’re doing that, the surface of the master slowly wears away, and eventually you wind up with a somewhat smaller diameter that you hadn’t calculated for.

----But if you turn that around, now you know that “They’ll get smaller if we do it the usual way”, then surely at the design stage you can…

Yeah, we’ve already thought “Well, let’s just make them a little bit bigger”.  We’ve tried that, but then they don’t come out uniform.  There’s variation.  And if we plan for the pull-back and make them bigger, they just come out that way too (chagrin).  It’s been tedious.  We really can’t see what the conditions are when they come out small, and when they come out as-is.  So we struggle with that every time, actually, and it’s always like “Do we redesign them 1mm bigger, or try going through the processing once more?”

----So, is that your biggest problem right now?

Yeah, it is.  It’s still the tires.  Nevertheless, we paid a lot of attention with designs for the Lotus 49 from the start, so I think we were able to do the millings rather well.

----The shoulder lines on the 49’s tires are certainly sexy, aren’t they.

Yeah but our tires before the 49 were rounder in blueprints, and did have the proper profiles you know.

----Well you know, I’m probably the only one complaining about the tire shapes so much.

Yeah, you are.  You’re the only one, Asano-san! (laughs)

----With regular boxy cars or sports cars, the tires aren’t exposed, so you don’t notice the profiles as much, as long as you handle the tires’ ellipticity right.  But with Formula cars…

Yeah, that’s right.  But our next products should be much better.  We’re slowing coming to see the conditions we need, and things are progressively getting better.  In other words, our experience level is a bit lacking, with regards to electric discharge machining for elastomer molding.  But we’re also meshing with our contractors, and since neither of us will do anything until we both understand what the other one wants, our experience levels are building, and things can only get better.  It’s not easy you know.  These are new trials for us, after all.  But once we have our processing methods established, I think we’ll be able to see our goals.

And, since we should be able to do our tire injection molding as expected soon, I’m thinking about remaking some of the tires then.  When the best shapes come out, I’ll commercialize some extra tires to be sold separately.